Tuesday, February 13, 2007

Seattle Bubble Summary

I wanted to add up all the Seattle real estate Bubble-popping potentials to get a bigger picture.

What are likely causes of large drops in real estate prices in the Seattle area?

1) Removal or reworking of the Growth Management Act..................possibility, but a remote one

2) Relaxing of environmental building restrictions..............................an even more remote possibility.

3) Seattle becoming less popular as a place to live...............................if real estate gets more expensive!

..............will global warming make our weather worse? will more residents make traffic worse?

4) Interest rates rise dramatically...........................................................don’t see that on the near-term horizon

5) Restrictions by the Federal govt. on lending practices......................likely, but how far will they go and how soon will any take effect?

6) Buyers going on strike.......................................................................to some extent, happening already.

Talk of a ‘Bubble’ predisposes on-the-fence buyers to stay on the unbuying side of the fence.

Making mortgages more difficult to get causes buyers to think twice before committing.

Having house prices escalate beyond what local incomes can support puts dampers on buying.

Summarizing from these, a per se Bubble doesn’t seem likely to me, but significant slowdown does. Buyers incomes have been stretched seriously by recent price rises, putting downward pressure on prices. But location desirability and jobs are still here, so incomes are not evaporating. Buyer mindsets regarding house-buying have taken a turn for the worse, but mindsets don’t last forever, especially if objective conditions don’t support keeping them.

On the other hand, will interest rates decline? Interest rates don’t appear to be controllable by any government.

Will sellers stop selling houses if buyers go on strike? This has happened before as well. Decreasing supply could match decreasing demand, and the result could be not much price movement at all.

So it appears that these factors would combine to slow the Seattle real estate market down, possibly with some decreasing prices. Federal government action could exacerbate any slowdown, but isn’t likely to take place before the end of 2007.

What would J.P Patches do?

Seattle Bubble Part 3

The last leg of potential real estate price doom in Seattle is the meaty leg of interest rates. They played a big part in allowing buyers to jump in to this market. My super computer X3000b tells me that there would have been exactly 7,452 fewer local buyers in the past two years had interest rates floated between 8-9% instead of 5.5-6.5%. Where would I be without the X3000b. In any case, with higher interest rates, demand would have been down and there would have been much less upward pressure on prices. So.........is there potential for higher interest rates in the future? Will the great Seattle Real Estate bubble be induced by skyrocketing interest rates?

Why did interest rates decline and why did they stay low for so long? The billion dollar question. Some point to the Federal Reserve continually lowering the overnight interest rate in the 90’s as the cause. In actuality, this interest rate and system have little to do with mortgage interest rates. http://library.hsh.com/?row_id=90 (Fed Funds overnight rate vs. Mortgage Interest Rates) I bought my first house with 10.5% interest, and there was a real estate feeding frenzy at the time (late 1989) so many other people were happy with the rate as well. What was different about the past 10 years vs. most of the 1980’s that caused interest rates to fall so far?

Thanks to HSH Associates and their wonderful consumer real estate and finance website, http://library.hsh.com/?row_id=85 (What moves Mortgage Interest Rates,) I got an idea about factors influencing mortgage interest rates. Not that I understood everything, but I got the ideas. The factors influencing M.I. rates are apparently varied and multiple. Their explanation is full of dead-ends, cul-de-sacs and 6-way intersections that make it difficult to explain, but...................................

Mortgage money comes from investors. One difference between 2004 and 1984 might be the presence of more worldwide investors and less stage presence of David Lee Roth (some social conditions do improve over time!) India, China, S. Korea, Hong Kong and Singapore certainly are much wealthier now. Wealthy individuals invest money to earn further income. Mortgages are made to fit certain ‘standards’ of risk and return, and packaged into Mortgaged-Based Securities (MBS.) Investors put their money into MBS because it suits their investment style at the time. The HSH folks explain how MBS competes with other, relatively safe, investments. I guess you can only conclude that a large swath of investors believes American MBS to be a pretty safe bet OR that alternative investments are riskier.

I’ve only invested in real estate, so I don’t know what alternative investments compete with MBS. HSH explains that when large amounts of money come in to MBS, MBS don’t need to pay investors high rates of return (the supply of money is relatively large.) In turn, mortgage lenders can lower interest rates to homebuyers, thereby increasing the supply of buyers in the market, tending to push real estate prices upward.

To predict interest rates, then, we will need to guess how ‘investors’ see the risks of MBS vs. other investments they could make. Investors are surely aware of the terms and conditions of today’s mortgages.....they didn’t get to have sufficient money to invest by being financial bozos who don’t investigate thoroughly where they’re putting their money. In spite of the additional risks presented by 80/20 and no down payment mortgages, investors continue to put their money into MBS. Do investors foresee such a sufficiently strong American economy that they don’t perceive the new mortgages as too risky for their investment money? Do only bonebrained investors invest in current MBS?

Clearly, the money still flows in to MBS in sufficient quantities to keep 30 year fixed rate mortgages still under 6.5%. Is there something on the horizon that will change this drastically? Imminent American economic catastrophe? If investors expected this, the money would already be moving elsewhere. Better places to invest? A possibility, but the likely candidates appear to be India and China. Both have great economic potential, but both are high on the list of nations with unstable investment environments; China because of uncertain potential government actions, and both nations are high on the list of bribery-riddled business and government interaction.

Currently, I see only ‘wild card’ risk factors changing this picture. Wild card risks would be drastic interruption in oil supplies, drastic changes in weather or other natural disasters, even worldwide pandemics. All seem eerily more possible than even 5 years ago. But do investors make their plans as if catastrophes are imminent, or simply have back-up plans if worse comes to worse?

Based on my limited knowledge, I don’t see drastic rises in interest rates in the near future. Anyone who can supply missing information to this equation, please speak up and let’s reformulate the equation.

Seattle Bubble Part 2

Second part of the Seattle ‘Bubble’ theory. Hope it’s not as long as the first. I’m not sure if reason #1, 2 or 3 is more important in price increases, but sure seems to me they all play a part. Interest rates are an additional factor, and I will add another factor.

I’ve seen blames for the price increase run from pushy real estate agents, crooked lenders and appraisers, the Federal government, builders, sellers, to pot-smoking, Beamer-driving BabyBoomers…………thank God I am now able reveal the real TRUE reason for these outlandish price increases.

The real reason Seattle real estate prices skyrocketed is…………………..

ANNA NICOLE SMITH !!

I AM NOT MAKING THIS UP !!

(Sorry, just love Dave Barry and I’m always looking for chances to throw in his lines.)

Now that she is a member of the dearly departed, prices are sure to go down !

Actually, the reason I’m covering here is one that I’ve mentioned to people several times over the years, but thanks to NOLAGUY posting at Seattle Bubble blog, I found the research that quantifies, sort of, what I thought was going on in W. Washington housing markets. NOLAGUY posted the link http://www.demographia.com/dhi-ix2005q3.pdf that contains a ‘study’ of housing affordability, mainly in the English-speaking world………U.S., Canada, U.K., Ireland, Australia and New Zealand. The ‘study’ contends that outlandish price increases around the world are caused by an artificial, government-induced housing supply shortage.

The study is produced by Pavletich Properties Limited, a company without a website, but the authors appear to be Hugh Pavletich, and Wendell Cox. Hugh Pavletich is a developer in Christchurch, New Zealand, whose motto might be “It all comes down to money in the end” http://www.historic.org.nz/magazinefeatures/2002summer/2002_summer_d.htm . Wendell Cox is associated with the Heritage Foundation, a conservative think tank, as well as The Heartland Institute and the Cato Institute, both libertarian think tanks. About the Heartland Institute ……this “group also quietly acts as a PR tool for the tobacco industry, by posing as a "Smoker's Rights" group. Their website contains such gems as: ‘The public health community’s campaign against smoking is based on junk science.’” http://www.dslreports.com/shownews/59840

Looking at the DATA of their study, you can see that places like Omaha, Ft. Wayne, Indiana, Buffalo, New York, and Youngstown, Ohio are among the most affordable cities in the U.S., while Los Angeles, San Diego, Honolulu and San Francisco are among the least affordable. Affordability they define as the ratio of median house prices to median incomes. (Seattle is the 19th least affordable city in the U.S., behind Modesto and Stockton, Ca., for God’s sake.) An ‘affordable’ house is one where the ratio of price to yearly income is less than 3 (household income = $50,000, affordable house is $150,000 or less.) The study claims that unaffordability arises from restrictive land use policies that limit land available for development and other unnecessary, lengthy, complicated or inflexible government policies that add costs to development and hence, to housing.

For W. Washington prices, I’ll buy those reasons. In 1990, the State legislature passed the Growth Management Act (GMA) that put strict limits on where population growth could occur (it’s allowed in already developed areas with infrastructure…..water and sewer lines, etc.,) AND mandated that individual cities and counties provide for affordable housing. (Maybe that part was in really, really fine print.) The policy intended to increase population density in already urbanized areas, and greater population density makes mass transit more profitable (or less unprofitable,) and gets cars off the roads. Cars off the road means less pollution, less global warming, and less gridlock. Hard to argue those.

The Realtors organization has been fighting this act since its inception, always for the stated reason of “providing more affordable housing.” I’m not generally a fan of the Realtors organization, but their stand appears to make at least economic sense. Unfortunately for them, right before the GMA was passed we went through the price boom of 1988-April 1990. Many Californians moved here and development was ‘running wild.’ The bumper sticker “Don’t Californicate Washington” was very popular, and led the legislature to pass the GMA with great public support. Until about 1996, however, there was little pressure from increased population and jobs, and prices remained fairly stable. After that, the tech boom started, jobs proliferated and the price rise of the late 90’s was on. In 2006, state voters again affirmed their support of the GMA by voting down Initiative 933, which would have caused governments to pay property owners for loss of usability due to restrictive land use policies.

If land restrictions are a major cause in our high prices, then we should envision W. Washington without them and expect that real estate prices would have gone up had GMA not been passed. Without GMA, W. Washington might have added subdivisions from the Puget Sound to the Cascade crest and beyond. Certainly, having tens-of-thousands of additional homes being built since 1990, mostly in the suburbs, would have prevented at least some of the price rises we have recently seen here, especially in the suburbs. But, with its absence of available lots, would central Seattle be priced much different than it is now? Central Seattle is in high demand because of the abundance of employment, desirable urban amenities and aversion to long commutes. Recent buyers that have helped drive up in-city prices could have bought in the suburbs today, but chose not to. My guess is that people looking for bargain house prices would not choose central Seattle with or without land restrictions. People looking for in-city amenities simply pay what it costs to live there.

Demographia authors further assert that the reason prices did not skyrocket in affordable cities, in spite of widely-available low interest rates and ‘creative’ real estate loans, is that local governments have not restricted land use. Although the State of Washington has a strict growth regulation policy, several cities on the unaffordable list do not, notably Orlando and Tampa, where sprawl appears to be trying to join these two cities separated by nearly 100 miles. Does Los Angeles, with all its sprawl, actually have Growth Managemen? Yet, L.A. is at the top of the unaffordable list. Also on the severely unaffordable list are Bakersfield, Fresno, Lost Wages, Tucson, Sacratomato and Phoenix: I don’t know for sure, but do these places actually have any growth planning or restrictions ? Sure doesn’t look like it but it’s sure hard to tell by driving through. Someone must know.

Cities without land use restrictions, Houston and Dallas (both very ‘affordable’) have reasonably healthy economies, neither city has growth restrictions and neither city is thought of as a ‘highly desirable’ place to live.......no attractive beaches, no mountains, generally unpleasant weather (but great barbeque.) Houston has recently topped Los Angeles as the most polluted city in the U.S., but demographia co-author, Wendell Cox, sees Houston as a beacon among cities in solving traffic congestion http://www.publicpurpose.com/.

In spite of their claim, it seems likely that land use restriction is a factor in creating high real estate prices, but not the only factor.

Looking again at the demographia lists, virtually all of the unaffordable cities also happen to be cities that can be viewed simply as desirable places to live: Los Angeles-Orange County, San Diego, Honolulu, San Francisco, and Ventura County are at the top of the least affordable list, and would be at the top of many people’s most-desirable-places-to-live list. My guess is that their unaffordable prices prevent them from becoming even more crowded that they already are, but obviously many people moved there in spite of high housing prices. From my experience listening to people moving to and from wherever, housing price is a factor in where to move, but so is the strength of the economy, the quality of life, and the general ‘appeal’ factor an area is perceived to have.

The study never once mentions the fact that there are places that people just would rather live in. How else to account for the no-growth-planning cities of Los Angeles and Dallas being at opposite ends of the affordability spectrum ?

The authors’ agenda and solution for creating more affordable housing appears to be the removal of all government regulation and allowing ‘the market’ to determine policy. Guess it’s not surprising that Mr. Cox belongs to libertarian organizations. In spite of its egalitarian-sounding name, ‘the market’ opposed initial air and water pollution controls in the 60’s, promoted destruction of indigenous wildlife all over the world, and opposed anti-slavery movements in the South. Perhaps ‘the government’ IS ‘the market’ for things needing protecting from the excesses of capitalism.

In Texas, where all the cities are affordable, industrial pollution standards are ‘voluntary.’ Should Washingon have a policy, then, be to build freeways and subdivisions as far out as ‘the market’ will bear. The government ‘restrictions,’ referred to by demographia authors, are not just growth boundaries for urban areas, but ‘unnecessary’ and ‘overly complex’ building requirements such as construction and building setbacks from waterways and wetlands, fees charged against new housing to help pay for schools, road and infrastructure improvements necessitated by the additional population, outdoor burn bans that add to costs of hauling away debris at construction sites and so on.

For Western Washington, these fees add a large dollar amount to the cost of each newly-constructed residential unit. Growth boundaries have severely limited supply of housing while demand has grown. Yes, restricting lenders from making riskier mortgages will shrink the supply of buyers somewhat, but more owners may turn to sell with owner financing, (seller-carried mortgages,) similar to what happened in the early 1980’s when the supply of buyers from the late-70’s real estate boom was curtailed by double-digit interest rates. Will Congress suddenly decide to do away with the practice of allowing sellers to pay virtually all buyer’s costs ? Probably not. Will lenders decide to completely do away with adjustable rate mortgages (ARMs)? ....with Option ARM’s that allow buyers the choice of paying down principal in the first few years of the loan ? Maybe with a real crisis, like the Savings and Loan catastrophe of the late 1980’s.

Is it a good thing to have housing so unaffordable anywhere ? I don’t think so. The question then is, must we trade something to get affordable housing ? Will we allow unlimited freeway building and subdivisions? Will we remove most or all environmental restrictions connected with the housing industry? Why not remove automobile and water pollution standards as well? A long as your locale is a desirable place to live and there are jobs there to support people, there will be increasing population pressure.

For the existence of ‘a Bubble,’ there must be a potential for a steep drop in demand. The potential reasons might be: 1) Seattle could quickly become a less desirable place to live after a..........................volcanic eruption, a tsunami, a mega-earthquake...............another week of rain? But Texas is not a particularly pleasant place to live, yet people keep moving there. 2) Catastrophic economic news. But if the economy is a disaster in Seattle, where will it be good? What investments will be worthwhile? 3) Catastrophic decrease in demand (buyers) or huge increase in supply. The huge increase in supply can come from reason #1 above, Seattle becoming much less desirable, or the construction floodgates could be opened by removal of GMA provisions. Will Washington’s populace ever see fit to remove or relax growth restrictions ? I’d bet big money against that in Las Vegas, since these growth restrictions are helping to keep the area desirable to live in. But if restrictions are not lifted, will the area be able to produce ‘affordable’ housing again?

The decrease in demand could come by buyers going on strike, by deciding to wait for prices to drop, or it could arise through buyers being unable to get loans. The Federal government has the power to do make loans more difficult to get. Will they? ‘The market’ has the potential to raise interest rates. What little I know about that I will add in another post.

Of all the possible ‘Bubble’ scenarios for Seattle, this seems to have the most potential for triggering widespread price drops.

h

Friday, February 9, 2007

WHY DID SEATTLE REAL ESTATE PRICES GO UP SO FAST ?

WHY DID REAL ESTATE PRICES GO UP SO FAST ?

(Sorry this is so long, but nothing seems appropriate to edit out.)

I just retrieved the following information in a desert from a burning bush written on REAL, STONE tablets !

Just kidding.........the bush wasn’t on fire. Anyway, those of us interested in real estate have heard-seen stories about the “Real Estate Bubble” or just been plain amazed at how fast and far real estate prices have risen in the past few years. Most of what I know about the topic is gleaned from the Seattle Metro area experiences, but occasionally I’ll throw in hearsay and read-say about other metro areas.

As background, the past few years have NOT been the years with the fastest rate of price increase since I’ve been in real estate. That distinction goes to the boom of 1988-April 1990. After April 1990, the market slowed down dramatically, but prices fell only slightly during the rest of 1990, then rose slowly but steadily through most of the 1990’s.

Curiously, no talk of a real estate “Bubble” then.

Do we hear “Bubble” talk now because prices are so much higher now than in 1990, or because most of us have recently experienced the tech stock bubble of the late 1990’s, putting the fear of “popping” the bubble into all of us? Or, as many believe, are there sound economic reasons why the bubble “popping” is truly right around the corner? Who the hell knows, but it’s entertaining to speculate, and speculation should involve honest thinking and analysis, and that’s always good.

“Prices are too high........I’ll buy when prices get more real”.......the mantra of Bubble-believers. I first heard the statement, though, in 1988, my second year in real estate. The first person who professed that belief to me passed on buying a 3 BR 1 BTH rambler for $67,000. He bought a 2 BR 1BTH rambler years later for $105,000. It’s now worth $250,000. I’ve heard people say the same thing about prices several times since..........I guess one day it actually WILL be true, but when?

I think there are THREE main factors in why prices have risen so much lately. One reason is described fabulously here: http://www.demographia.com/dhi-ix2005q3.pdf. I found this site from a posted message in the Seattle Bubble blog: when I retrieve poster’s name, I will give due thanks and gratitude for his efforts and research.

REASON #2 WHY PRICES WENT UP:

Years ago, buyers need actual CASH to buy houses: 20% for Conventional type loans, 6% for FHA (although veterans could possibly buy without cash using VA loans.) Over time, house prices rose faster than inflation and it became more difficult (or impossible) for buyers to accumulate even the 6% required by FHA. Lenders began softening on buyer cash requirements, allowing sellers to pay for some buyer’s costs, BUT THIS WAS STRICTLY REGULATED AND LIMITED.

Eventually, prices were just too much, and lenders allowed sellers to pay virtually ALL of the buyer’s cost to buy. While this helped buyers, this action had the unintended side effect of bringing to the market A LOT MORE BUYERS. In real estate markets that were already selling at a healthy rate, now we dump in even MORE demand. More demand, limited supply......prices rose even further and faster! Not so good for first-time buyers.

In a final attempt to help buyers face increasing prices, lenders allowed buyers to, in effect, borrow their down payment. NEVER, NEVER allowed “in the old days.” Buyers, in effect, borrowed their down payments when they got FIRST MORTGAGES, generally 80% of sales price, attached to SECOND MORTGAGES, which were 10-20% of the sales price. So now lenders have created a market “to help buyers” by (1) allowing sellers to pay ALL buyer costs and (2) allowing buyers to “borrow” their down payments. Unfortunately, again, this had the unintended side effect of bringing to the market EVEN MORE BUYERS. So many new buyers, again limited supply..........is it any wonder prices rocketed ?

Because of these new loan products, and in spite of a growing population, the number of 'tenant' (vs. owner-occupied) households decreased drastically after 2000, and the number of tenant households still had not reached 2000 levels as of 2005 (last year I have statistics for.)

In 1987, a buyer needed $20,000 to buy a $100,000 house (a pretty nice house then;) in 2004, a buyer needed exactly $0 to buy a $300,000 house (still pretty nice.)

With these new loan products, the market became “artificially” saturated with buyers who would not otherwise have bought at this time. Did this process “use up” several years’ worth of buyers? Again, who the hell knows, but I believe so.

In amongst these new lending products are those referred to as “predatory.” I will not use that term to describe the loans, as it is pejorative. Firstly, the buyers I worked with who got those new 'riskier' loans would not have been able to buy a house otherwise. Are they riskier loans? Duh! Is it worth taking the risk to buy real estate? Well, that’s an individual financial soul-search not described well by the term “predatory.” To be sure, thousands of renter households became homeowners. It has been government policy for several decades to help this transformation take place. Homeownership rates in the U.S. have never been higher. Is this bad ?

Finger-waggers complain that many borrowers obtaining riskier loans will default and lose their homes. Did they ALL lose their homes ? Did the riskier loans increase homeownership rates?
Let's be careful not to throw the baby out with the bath water.

REASON #3 WHY PRICES WENT UP

I have not heard this reason mentioned in anyone else's Bubble screeds yet, but I'm stunned that I haven't read about it anywhere.

When I started in real estate, appraisers looked at the listing and the real estate purchase and sale agreement during the course of their appraising. Buyers often asked for sellers to contribute money for allowable buyer closing costs. Sometimes sellers agreed, sometimes not. The immediated suggestion that comes to mind is for the seller to raise the sales price OVER the listing price to cover the cost of money contributed to buyer loan fees. I tried this once and my broker threatened to rip out my fingernails. Raising sales prices to cover seller-paid fees was NEVER done then. Appraisers looked at list price, then sales price, and would never allow a property to appraise for over original list price.

Over time, prices escalated. Buyer costs to obtain loans increase with sales prices. REASON #2 above reviews how lenders relieved buyers of the need to save down payments, thereby increasing the number of buyers in the market, but this still leaves buyers owing loan closing costs. If these are, say, 2%, then buyer still needs $6000 to pay closing costs for a $300,000 house. In a nation where we have a negative savings rate, buyer saving up $6000 doesn't seem very likely, does it.

To the rescue.........the new, improved appraisal process ! Buyer asks seller to pay $6000 closing costs. Seller says sure, if I can raise sales price $6000. Appraiser no longer cares (or is directed NOT to care by lender eager to make loan) about list price. Buyer has good credit.......POOF ! buyer gets loan for $6000 ABOVE list price and closes sale.

What's the problem, say you ? After all, increases homeowneship rates right? Yes it does. BUT, on the public tax records of house sales, sales price is indicated as $306,000, not $300,000 ! There is no way to tag the sale on county records with the Barry Bonds asterisk (*) indicating that seller paid $6000 for buyer costs, and that the REAL agreed-upon price was $300,000.

Still no big deal...........yet. Real estate agents and appraisers rely on the accuracy of these sales records to arrive at list prices for sellers wanting to sell several months in the future. Market analyses and appraisals use these sales prices to determine the value of the next house going up for sale 3 months down the road. Now, three months in the future, seller of a very similar house in the neighborhood believes his house is worth $306,000, not $300,000. Still no big deal..................yet.............that is, until this process is repeated, and repeated, and repeated. So 2 years down the road, the house that should be listed for $300,000 is now listed for $340,000, like all the other houses in the neighborhood, with the great bulk of this inflation due to sellers paying buyer costs.

If this process happened rarely and occasionally, the effect might be minimal, but over the past several years, THIS WAS THE RULE, NOT THE EXCEPTION !

Seems like an artificially-created vicious cycle: prices too high, reduce buyer loan down payment requirements-->leads to more buyers looking for houses-->prices go even higher-->reduce buyer closing costs requirements-->more buyers in the market-->prices go even higher.........
at some point there is a limit, and obviously we are closer to the limit now than we were 3 years ago.

But where is the end point? the limit ? And does reaching the limit equal a "popping" real estate bubble, or just a quiet ride off into the real estate sunset?

........the rest of the writing on the stone tablets is kinda fuzzy.

The website mentioned at the beginning of this post lists another large reason for housing price increases, but I’ll address that issue in a later diatribe, er, uh post.

herb

Intro Message

I'm a recovering real estate broker and investor in the Puget Sound metro area (mostly Seattle, Washington, U.S.A.) Been in real estate about 20 years. I read a lot of real estate type information.......MLS data, landlord newspapers, various websites and blogs, but not enough new technology information, so if I screw up this blog, you'll know why.

I'm starting this blog because I like to step back occasionally and view issues from different perspectives. It seems like each of us (in the U.S. anyway) needs to spend so much time at our jobs, performing AND learning new stuff, that we only see the rest of the world through the one perspective. When I was younger, I remember people actually having the time to sit down together, to talk and think out loud, to have discussions about all kinds of issues, not just American Idol or Survivor episodes. These days, no one seems to have even the time for an extended telephone conversation. I think the lack of these conversations and discussions is a sad thing, and probably not good for society in general. Not that this blog will actually remedy that problem, but if discussions are generated, that's a good thing.

I like real estate and after 20 years in it, I'm all tanked up on bloviated opinions, facts, figures and trivia. But, we're all residents of our neighborhoods, cities, states, country and the planet. The world doesn't revolve around real estate, but I think it's important to look at the role real estate has in the world.........Hence the name "Bigger Picture Real Estate."

I'd like to look at current hot topics in real estate, news media screeds and the propaganda put out by the building industry and Realtor organization and EXAMINE the stories, not just expound on why you're in agreement or disagreement with the story. For instance, the "WHY did they say this," or "Is there any evidence behind these claims" and "There's the evidence IN FAVOR OF your point, but did you omit or forget contrary evidence JUST TO MAKE A POINT ?"

I'll do my best to be respectful to other opinions, if there ever ARE any, and please do the same. Many of these issues will be hot-button topics, so the opportunities for rudeness and insults will be there...........so please think of a respectful way to post your opinion.

HERB